The Cut Life Podcast
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Episode 22 · 4 months ago

High Maintenance Hair with Ashley Kashley

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We have all dealt with the high maintenance hair style. Even business mogul Ashley Kashley. Check this epiosde out as we talk about all things that can be difficult in maintaining a style and also find out how you can learn the business from Ashley

Hi, I'm to hear a joy founder of the cut life and you are tuned into the Cutlife podcast, where we talk all things short hair, hair stylist, celebrities and beauty news. Are you ready to cut up? Before we get into our special guest today, I have to let you know that the cutlife university had our very first membership call this past week and it was amazing and I'm sure you want to know what we talked about, and if you do, you can go to the Cutlife universitycom register as a member. The recording is still there for you to replay, so little plug real quick. Also, let's get into it today. I'm super excited because I have a friend of mine, as well as a fellow beauty preneer, Miss Ashley Cashley, in the building. Ashley is the CO owner of hair are us. They're a luxury hair extensions brand and, honestly, they're one of the first premiere brands here. Like they send the standard and set the bar for hair extensions company. So put some respects on their name. Okay, thanks to yes and beyond that, she is the creator of the ultimate business planner. If you don't have a copy, please order yours and she is a content creator with the Fort Queen. Now Ashley's based in Houston and she posts some amazing food from all of the restaurants in the area. So I have to get out there so you can take me around. But welcome, Ashley. Oh It's good to be here to hear I'm having a wonderful time being on the podcast as well as trying to figure out this big chop I just did. And but for my way through the big chop natural hair, it is just a new journey. Okay, I love that you said that, because today we are about to get into this conversation around high maintenance hair. Now, What's interesting about that topic? Of course, with the cut life, we post a lot of short hair styles and people usually associate high maintenance hair with having to go to the SALONA weekly, maintaining your cut, if you're a platinum girl, maintaining your color, yes, but then they tend to leave out the facts, or maybe not talk about as much, the fact that natural hair is also equally as high maintenance. So it's almost like you can pick your poison. But for US women of color that have a variety of textured hair and our hair, I think that's the beauty of our hair that we can manipulate it in different ways, but it is work. So I would love for you to start off and tell me about because this is the since I've known you. This is the second time I've known you as an adult woman to cut your hair and you have first got it done. You did the straight look and then you went into the curls. So talk to me a little bit about how your maintenance routine is currently going. Well, right now, I think because I'm just in the beginning stages of my big Chop Journey, I'm still trying to find the right regiment for which weather. I guess you can say if it's funny outside, then it seems that I'm going more towards like a wet and wavy look. But I mean, it was just winter, so it's like I can't go outside and let this whole I'm going to let it air dry, but what I have found is that I don't get the same type of curl pattern or result when I'm doing the air diffuser. So I'm still going between trying to rock my hair curly natural, plus I have color, so where it doesn't look so dry...

...or so frizzy. So right now I'm in between. I don't know if I can say the products. I'm know, of course that's my yell organics. They have an amazing leaving. It's like a lavender, forget the name of but it's to like ginger and something. But I'm using their leading ginger honey collection, honey collection. Yet I'm using their leaving and their custard coil. Yeah, which has been great, but I found that sometimes when the weather is not so old or not so dry, I have to switch up. So right now I'm just rolling the dice. Yes, I'm using a Camille. I'm sorry, Rizz all curls right now nice. Now how this goes? Well, for those of you who are listening, her curls look flawless. And then for those who follow us on Ig I'm sure you'll see a clip of this and you see how fat flawless our girls are. Thank you, but yeah, I can relate. When I first big CHOPP I just my hair was already short, so it didn't take much. I just kind of let the relax or grow out a bit big chopped it. But my first mistake will not mistake. I'll say learning lesson was not knowing what types of products to put in my hair, so I wasn't getting the results that I wanted. All I knew about natural hair was like a lot of the creamy kind of texture products and some of the puddings, but my hair I wanted a defined curl. And with the short hair and the define curl, I'm like I'm putting the creams in and it's kind of curly to begin with, but it frizzes really, really fast and I got so frustrated that I eventually, within a few months, relaxed again and said look, forget it. Then the next time I did the slow transition and letting kind of grow out slowly and I started doing some research. I said, well, let me hop on Youtube, let me kind of see what's going on, and then I realized, Oh, you probably need more of a gail textured products, you probably need to use more mooses and that will give you the defined look that you're going for. So the second time around with a shorter hair, it helps because I was able to do like the coiled out twist lugs. Yes, had the definition and I love that with especially with short curly hair, having the defined curls for me was the look that I want it. Right now I have this huge fro because during the pandemic, my hair has grown its so modiful and it thank you, but it's just too much work. Like the longer it got, the harder it got and it took too much time. I felt like my arms were about to fall off because it's hard to get all the way around this head. So right now I'm like, if I do my own hair is literally washing go fro because I just let it do what it wants. And I can relate to what you said about her weather being in Atlanta. Let me say Georgia so I don't get cussed out now. You can't say Atlanta, you know, but it right now. For those that get the joke, get the joke. But yeah, you know, with humidity and the fact that the weather changes from day today, it can be super cold one day then the next is seventy five degrees and your hair is like all in one day, all in one day, we can get three season exactly. I'm so what I have found is that I damn your have to leave my house with, I don't want to say a diaper bag, but like a curled bag or a tool belt of like a curl kid. Yes, with a product, art, product idealer. Yes, product, you all wait, I'm getting a little crazy. Let me go into my arsenal of a wash spray bottle with conditioner and all kind of things that I put together. But it has been clearly, I mean I'm not going to say clearly, but it has been very frustrating. Now I want to ask you a question. How do you feel when it comes to detangling with your hands and your fingers versus and actual calm,...

...because I can tell a difference that I'm getting. You know, two different looks right right? Well, for me I have to go with like the texture of my hair. I have a bigger textured hair and my hair is, well, most women's hair is different texted. Black Women's hair is different textures on different parts of their head. So like the edges, the nape of my neck have very much looser, finer curls, but then the Cluton, then that's the perimeter. But the closer that you get to the crown of my hair is a lot thicker and I find that I have to use a detangling brush in order to thoroughly work the product. You know, the conditioner through and really get the curls. He's tangled. And I actually can plug a product right now, Vlicia Leatherwood. She's a celebrity hair stylist. She does use a ray his hair. She has her own brush. It's brush with the best. So you can go to her instagram. This brush, I tell you, will not break. It's wonderable. So if flexes with your hair, so no matter the texture, from whatever the numbers, I don't get into numbers, from like three a seed or see all the way up to for sea and beyond, like your hair will not break this brush and I need that because there's definitely some areas, honey, mine is right here, is my crown. Yeah, I don't know where whose head it is, but it is like when I get here, she needs a lot of tender loving care. So I yes, totally. My my crucial card or my problem area is my crown is just, yeah, right there in the center. So y'all have to check off her brush. I'm in the middle of using a cosmology. Okay, cosmology. They were in target black owns. I'm in the middle of using their their cones and brushes, but I'll definitely, you know, check out that young ladies as well. Definitely check her out. And you know, one thing about our hair is that we can definitely talk about. You know, I think hair is high maintenance for most black women, to be honest, whether your relaxed, natural long shore, it's like it takes maintenance to maintain. But but I think we have to almost look at that term not necessarily as a negative but as a positive, because our hair is so versatile. It can withstand a lot as long as we treat it properly. So I want to ask you, throughout this hair curl journey, curly hair journey and this cutting journey, what are some things that you've learned about your hair? HMM, well, I've learned that with my curl pattern I need a lot of moisture. I don't know if it's due to the color that I have one here, but I need a lot of moisture because she gets really thirsty and really drive very quickly. So I know I have about two to three hours before I turn into a Pumpkin. Like I said, I'm still in the middle of trying to find the perfect product and I may have to mix a couple of things, but right now number one is I've learned that I have a time frame from two to three hours where I know for a fact I'm going to need moisture, depending on the look that I'm trying to achieve. If I'm doing a curly let's go, I need moisture. A second thing is I'm getting more into, I guess it still goes back to moisture, is doing hydrating treatments on my hair at least once or every other month. Again, because of the color and my curl pattern, I can get really, really dry. The third thing that I've learned with my hair is that the more that...

I cut, the quicker it seems to grow. Yeah, I've listen how much growth in my light until both of my big chops. That is so true. And I tell women that who want to cut their hair and they've always wanted to try and they're on the fence and I'm like, you don't understand, like, when you cut it, your hair will grow back even faster than you could imagine and maybe even healthier than it was previously, because I got my hair like after the pandemic. I got it like cut back down into a bob and then it grew right back out a few weeks later. You know, to maintain the cut you have to really cut it constantly because you're always getting that dead hair off. So yeah, that's have you tried? Have you tried waves? Because I know when you first cut your hair the first time around it was a bit shorter and you were yes, more wave styles, and then this time around you're playing with the curls more. Have you tried waves again with this habit? I haven't tried the waves yet. I'm scheduled to go back in in two weeks, so we're going to see. But she the way that she cut this cut my hair this second time. I don't know if it's too thick per waves. So we are definitely I'm going to try to attempt that in about two weeks. The only thing is waves don't last on me. They don't last on anyone. It's like a wanting done news, news flash, AND IF YOU'RE NEW SPLASH, if you're looking at the page are you're seeing all these like finger wave styles and you're falling in love with all these waves, the looks, please believe. That is what I call event Hare. Like have somewhere to go right after that appointment, because once you go to sleep and wake up the next day it is not going to be waving like it was waving for the day before is and that's okay. I think it's okay to try styles that are just for that moment, for that look, but you just have to understand what you're signing up for and know that texture does affect outcome. And my advice always when people are looking for a new style, they're like, you know, you get a lot of inspiration from instagram. Yes, my number one advice is, even if it's celebrity inspiration or whatever, try to find inspiration from women who have a similar texture to yours, because you know that the outcome may be more reasonable. Like for me, if I'm cutting my hair, I'll go to Rihanna because I know she has a courser texture that I can relate to a bit more. I'm not going to look at even Marcel it's say that I could just do the waves and go it's not going to hit. It's going to hit different. So I think that's like my key advice. You can have, you can try so many different looks, but find inspiration that fits your texture and then you'll have a better idea of how that outcome will look for not. I totally agree. And you know, it's another thing I find myself preparing and planning more with this hair because since our hair is growing so fast, it out grows the hair styl or the cuts. I'm like, okay, if I'm going to let it grow, I need to hurry up and think of three stages, because you're not will get in that funky mushroom. I don't know if I'm gonna be fro girl or I need a style quick because it can eventually just take over. And now I went from being a fly stylish girl to hey, what's going on? Do you have a look your and I had to my spirit right now, Ashley. You know why? Because this frow is literally only for this moment, right now. I had beautiful. I had thank you, I had I had a silk press Bob all my hair, but the Georgia humidity hits different, so that lasted a few days and then it started swelling and I was like I'm just going to wash it. However, the patients to actually section it and twist it to give it the define curls. I had not the time for. So I just was like, I'm just...

...going to just let it frow out. But and I love it. I love my hair, I love the fro, but it's not my got too look. I tend to lean towards slicker edgier style. So I'm sitting here like bore. I hit the streets. I already have an appointments go. I'm actually trying my first wig this weekend. Wow. Oh, yes, it's going to be exciting, I guess. And we're video taking it, so you'll get the whole process online. But I'm like, I've never done a wig. It's a you part wag, from what I'm told, so that's not that's not bad. You'll it'll look more natural, you'll still have your leave out, you'll be at to go. Yes, I love about you part. I'm actually in the middle of coloring a you part. It's a curly one, so that I can part do my curls on the side and then let it hang. So I think you're going to look amazing. That's a good point. You just brought me to my next point. I'm talking a bit about your company here, are us? Yes, that you co owned with your best decat Brim. Yeah, now you two are like the goats of beauty on social media and so many hidden talents, because, as she's always talking about coloring her own hair, coloring her extensions and does it like elite, like high and professional color is. And then cat is actually a like hair stylist. So you guys kind of have an advanceation when it comes to knowing how things should look. So talk to me a bit about, you know, the importance of hair are us and the brand image and providing versatility to your clients through the products that you offer. I think because I'm coming more from a customer perspective and cat is coming more from a license stylist. Even though I am a bit adverse and like coloring and I can tone my own hair, I understand it, I'm still a customer at the end of the day. So I think when you put those two together, we're able to play devil's advocate when we are looking for quality product and we're able to test it when we're trying to bleach something blond and tone it back down, and and having her, as a stylist, say, you know, well, I can work with this vendor or this type of curl pattern better because of x, Y and Z, and then I can say, well, feel so beautiful and salt. We were able to achieve the color that we were trying to get in a minimum amount of time and still keep the integrity. So I think having two women who understand hair as a stylist and as a customer, were able to get the best quality hair to all the customers. Even now, and I think I can say this, we are in the middle of trying to revamp a blond swirl collection so that lear want to rock a streak, highlight low light blond that doesn't look cheap and it's not too orangy and it's still gives that little highlight of, you know, like a really nice hue and not orange and brassy. We're in the middle of getting back down. So you guys, you guys, and they come correct, because I've the images that the more recent images that you all posted is like you had the beyonce fans brought in and both of you were giving like luxurious hair. I'm just a true fan, not just, of course, of Youtube, as women prey. She yes, first and foremost, because you guys have always maintained integrity in your business. You're very transparent with providing information. You had classes recently. If you missed it, shame on you, but I'm sure they will bring it back. Yeah, but you're always, you know, a welcome knowledge to other entrepreneurs and you've never shunned other people who want to be in the same space, and I respect that. I mean, and who needs to when you're the beyonce of...

...what you did? It's like, come on in, guys, and I can say this year's for me personally, it's all about teaching and inspiring and helping other entrepreneurs. Or whether you're trying to start your own virgin hair company or have your own fashion line or whatever, I'm here to you know, help support in a in a way where it's like you don't have to spend the necessarily thousands of dollars trying to learn and figure out this didn't work or this did. So check out my website, Ashley cashleycom. I do want on one consults. Over the next few weeks I will be just dropping gyms on my page like Hey, your entrepreneur, here my top five apps I think you should need if you are working with overseas vendors. Guess what, look out for these top ten things. I wish someone would have told me, and so ultimate planner that they need. So if you're trying to start a business, from the business planner, so the one on one consoles, I am your girl. All now, I'm still a student when it comes to learning how to being take this hair, but when it comes to business, I absolutely have you covered. So let me just just put that all on the line here and just continue to follow my journey. I'm trying to figure out if I'm going to do a youtube or not, because I think that, and correct me if I'm wrong, sit here. But we go through these spurts when we're trying to find this new hairstyle. Like for me, like you said, you love a good sleek look. The other night I was going to dinner and I was like, I'm gonna moves it down and I'll have my what's the product, I forget the name, that you put on your hair right before you go under the dryer. The like the phone moves, the phone moves. Yeah, I'm doing a slick. I got the swoop bank honey, went under the drive for hour and a half, tried to get dressed. I was in tears. It's a is our well, my curl powdern it just would not lay down. Yeah, and I was like this would have been funny if someone could see this, because I was in tear. I had a look in my head, but it did not come to that. Actually, would be an excellent youtube to kind of show the hits and the misses, because a lot of times people get intimidated when you see creators on Youtube that always show the perfect result, whether it's makeup or hair, but what about the blunders and showing that, you know, we all have to go through trial and error and sometimes and shoot. One thing I've learned is that sometimes you just have to win this curly hair, natural hair. Sometimes you just have to let it do what it does, because I feel like I honestly believe that hair has its own personality and sometimes it wants to rock with what you think it should do and other times it's like Nobu, I want to be over here. Yes, and you don't want to crazy idomly, you want to be comfortable with how you are. You know how you look and how you perceive. But even today, like the FRO is not my go too, but I'm like this is where you want to live, hair. Okay, well, I'll just do it bigger and I'll just make it bolder and I'll just like let you live because, hey, what else can I do? I Love I absolutely love it. I am trying to find maybe for other hair styles to do. I think when I had longer hair, was always the High Bun. I throw in some clippins and now this is this is a bit of a situation to bring more research and figure out what else can I do. Well, I think you definitely showed us the straighter, sleek look. You could probably because I don't know if maybe setting it on large rollers to make it like bought more volume, you could play with that. Or if it's I don't know if you can do like the little it's Everr Bo font. Before it was like the boofont kind of. So it's not a slick back, slip back, but kind of like a boo front kind of dryer, you know, slick back. I mean, I don't know this parts out. Fear...

A man. Yes, figure that part out, but absolutely so. Like I said, I'm still trying to figure this journey out and see what she wants to do on each side. But you haven't take those suggestions that I'm gonna try them out. So when you guys see my bloopers in a month or two, yes, but honestly I'm like, I'm ready to see what these bloopers are going to be, because I haven't seen you miss yet. And I know we all have our personal like hair stories and hair struggles, but let me say that what you present to us, you the parts that we are able to see, it always looks together. Even when you're headed from what heard it from a workout and the curls are doing this thing, they look beautiful, like it's there. They definitely look beautiful. The color is beautiful. I appreciate it. I really do do. Oh quick question. Do you sleep with a bonnet sad pillow? What is your I do a mix, so I don't. I'm never I have set in pillowcases, but I don't usually do them. Like if I'm doing a silk press, usually I'm just tying it down with a silk scarf and especially when I rock my short hair, it was always a silk scarf. But if I do something like this, I'll do a bonnet and then my yell organics actually does have a pomegranate and honey. Yeah, Curl Refresher Spray. So I'll take the bonnet off and spray the refresher spray and then just pick, you know, my curls out to make them bigger. But I've used the coily, custard and and all of those products. If I've done like a coil to us, I just don't have the patience anymore. But yeah, and then Silk Satin pillowcases are definitely great for rough sleepers. If you usually end up waking up, that's we are. Yes, if your scarf is usually on, yes, or or on the other side of it's around my neck. Yeah, yeah, so that to me, the Satin pillowcase is a great backup. Sometimes it's good to do both so in case you're scarf does fall off, at least you're not laying on cotton. You know what I've found with the Bonnet, although I love it, something it pushes my hair back and I like a good forward. You know, sometimes when I'm waking up like hey, how you doing it, it's like I can do the Bonnet because you're pushing my style back. Yes, yes, so that's very true and I think you have to play with different ways. That's tire your hair, because I think there is also a misconception that you have to tie your complete hair down. And a lot of times with short styles, like if I was walking something like that with the curls like you said, one to keep it, I might just tire around. And then they have like the silk ones, that kind of veil crow where you're just protecting the edges of what you sleep on and it's not necessarily tying the whole hair down, especially for some of those curly styles or if you're getting your hair curled with like a flat iron, or if you're old school doing the Marcel Iron. Mark wanted to Latin people still do Marcel. So, especially those short pixie girls who, you got to think about it, the the thicker hair and the shorter pixies. Sometimes that stove is the only thing that's going to get it straight. But I just think with today's technology, I've seen so many irons that are able to produce or reproduce that same heat. So when I hear marselves I'm always like Oh, because I'm thinking of other irons right, right, metallic whatever, but they can still get the level to that heat. So I'm it. Sometimes I think it depends on the STYLUS and what they've grown accustomed to. A lot of times, the Marcel Iron users have been in the game two thousand and twenty five years and that's just what they came in doing and that's what they know. But it always looks dangerous when I see it. I'm like, I would never attempt it's you know what it's like a foreign language and it didn't have perfected it. Who you got a God blessed, because only a few of us. I think they just seem so intimidating. Yeah, I tried back in the day with the French rolls...

...and we had the little yes, yes, all, I've had marcels in my hair plenty of times before, but I would never attempt it on my own. No, no, no, thank you. I would have ended up branding the back of my neck. I brand with the flat irons. So we already know right exactly. Well. Thank you so much, Ashley Cashley, for joining me today. I love this conversation on high maintenance hair. I feel like there's so many different layers to it. So we'll probably bring it back and talk about some o their areas, but I think the key takeaway is that you just have to love on your hair and be willing to be patient with your hair, especially if you're doing a new style or playing around with your texture, and you know it's going to be okay. You're going to find the look that works for you. So, before we get out of here, let everyone know again how they can follow you on Instagram, your website, all of that good info. Okay. Well, I'm Ashley Kate. Ashley Ashley Cashleycom is my website where you can find all things from being a business entrepreneur, finding a business planner, having one on one consoles, and then also my youtube page. It will show a little bit of a lifestyle. You will see some of my coral bloopers, my shortcuts, but primarily just dropping a lot of business tips along with hair. If you're in the Houston area, check out the fourth queen on Instagram. It is my food page. It is my passion, but guess what, I am making it work. I love food and there it's a place where I'm going to all the local Houston spots. So if you guys are looking for food and Houston, check out the fork queen. You'll be hungry as soon as you go on there. Trust me, I'm like this girl but listen, as much as she likes to go out to eat, she works out equally as hard. So don't let us why you're no girl in the next because this girl will eat, but she's gonna go going to work out, maybe yesterday. That's why I stay with curly hair, because you're great hair, honey. She'll be curly in a day. Well, I love it. Thank you, Ashley, and we get a plas in here. Thank you so much. Keep it going. I'm loving the cutlight. Keep dropping these jims. Thank you. Boom, bye, bye. Thank you for tuning in to another episode of the Cutlife podcast. Make sure you check this out every Friday and for more information, visit us on the cut lifecom you can follow me on Instagram at to hear joy and the cut life.

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